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April 8th, 2012


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lauralareine
01:46 pm - Window of time for thermal shift after end of EWCM?
This is my second month charting off the pill, and I have a question. What is a typical amount of time between the end of EWCM and the thermal shift? The day before yesterday I had a TON of EWCM and my temperature was 36.45 (Centegrade). Yesterday my temperature was 36.30 and I had only a little EWCM. Today I'm back to sticky mucus, so it would seem that yesterday was my Peak Day. Because of that it would have seemed logical for me to have my thermal shift this morning too. But instead this morning my temperature was down to 36.25. Is this normal?

(Sorry I don't have a chart to post! I chart on paper.)

I should mention that my fiancé and I are abstaining until I get the hang of this, so there was no semen that I might have mistaken for EWCM. I had a very obvious temperature shift last month so I did ovulate last cycle, but my CM was still so screwed up from coming off the pill that it was sticky all month. This is my first crack at figuring out how temping and CM work together.

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From:The Coexist Cafe [thecoexistcafe.com]
Date:April 8th, 2012 10:01 pm (UTC)
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For TTA purposes, I'd say to continue to abstain or use barrier methods until after your third day of elevated temperatures (and there's no fertile-quality CM*). There's also good reason why you should do those during the the first 6 months of charting, especially coming off the pill, as it might take a bit to go back to "normal". You were the one who only took the pill a few months, right?

*FWIW, "fertile-quality CM" means different things for different women. I never, ever have "dry" days and instead have creamy all month long, so I don't consider that "fertile". Seeing that you're TTA, you've gotta err on the side of caution. ;)

Hm. As for your question, it might be because you recently came off HBC and things are starting to get back into shape, but it coming back this month is a good sign. Should be easy to track after a while, when it becomes more regular. :) That all being said, again, it's different for every woman. Some have EWCM the entire time around ovulation, some have it only before, some on on the day(s) of, some afterward. And some can tell their AF is going to start by the presence of EWCM, rather than a temp dip, the day before (guess who's one of those lucky women. Sigh.)

Question: Do you own a copy of TCOYF? It's absolutely invaluable! DH and I have been TTC for four cycles now (currently in the 2WW), and I didn't know nearly as much the first few cycles as I have this one, when I finally got and read it. It's great for TTA, too. Highly recommended! You can pick up a copy at the library or on Amazon. :)
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From:lauralareine
Date:April 8th, 2012 10:08 pm (UTC)
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Yes, I did only take the pill for two months (I couldn't hack it, argh). Thanks for the advice! I do have a copy of TCOYF, which I read religiously. After I posted this I found the page that explains that for some women, the thermal shift doesn't happen until a few days after ovulation. I am really hoping that I am not one of those women, because I plan on using FAM to avoid and it would really cut into my happy-fun-sex time if my temp doesn't go up until a few days into my luteal phase. :S

I have noticed that I seem to be with you on that, I never have "dry days", there's always a little bit of sticky at least. BTW, were you the one who suggested green tea to me? If you were, I followed your advice and noticed a huge difference. Last month I only had sticky and this month, tons of EWCM. I don't know if it's from the tea or being off the pill for longer, but I figure the tea didn't hurt! :D
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From:The Coexist Cafe [thecoexistcafe.com]
Date:April 8th, 2012 10:13 pm (UTC)
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Yup, and that's exactly why CM is #1, temps are #2, and abstain during both. Which sucks if your rise happens after ovulation, but it could be worse! :) Cutting into sexy-fun-times, though, NOT so fun. I feel you there!

And yes, that was me! So glad you discovered a difference! I had the same, and it was GREAT. Obviously, it's great for us for completely different reasons, but it's better to have it than for any fertile CM to be somehow masked. Better to have it out there. ;)

Did this same dip happen last month? Where you had some fertile CM (even if just creamy or watery) then a rise a few days later? That might be a pattern you'd want to keep an eye out for.
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From:lauralareine
Date:April 9th, 2012 02:07 am (UTC)
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Well, my fiancé and I are TTA, but lately two of my friends have each been having trouble conceiving. They're only 28, so it's come as a huge shock to both of them that they and their spouses can't seem to get pregnant. They are both trying the advice recommended by TCOYF and one is visiting a naturopath who is using treatments from The Infertility Cure. The other's wife is going to acupuncture too.

Which got me thinking, I'm 30 now. I'm not getting married for another year and probably won't be at the right time to have a baby for another year after that. So by then I'll be 32. Not too old for babymaking, but no spring chicken either. It takes time to learn charting and to get to know your body's own habits. And if it turns out that I do have some sort of fertility issue, even one that is relatively minor will take time to suss out and solve. Rather than wasting precious time figuring this stuff out two years down the road, I thought, why not get myself primed for conception now? That way, when we are ready to try, we'll already know the ins and outs of charting and if there are problems hopefully we'll have solved them. Then we can just go for it.

That's why, even though we are actively TTA, I'm doing things like trying to increase the quality of my EWCM, checking to make sure my luteal phase is long enough, exercising, eating properly, etc. My mom was 35 when she had me and 37 when she had my brother, so I'm hoping that fertility is hereditary!
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From:kshea333
Date:April 25th, 2012 05:23 am (UTC)
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hi, just wanted to join in here for a sec because i'm still trying to get the hang of reading cervical mucus and other things, but what did green tea help with? i've been thinking of switching over to that instead of coffee throughout out the day for a variety of reasons, but does it help with women's cycles as well?
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From:The Coexist Cafe [thecoexistcafe.com]
Date:April 25th, 2012 12:22 pm (UTC)
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I honestly don't know if it helps with a woman's cycle. I do know that it can have an effect on cervical fluid, which is why I suggested it, but as for regulating cycles or anything? I doubt it.

Though some will tell you that having the green tea makes you more relaxed, which thereby stresses you out less, and your cycles become regular as a result... butt hat's no scientific study. ;)

What do you mean by helping with a woman's cycle, anyway? Just regulation, or something else?
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From:kshea333
Date:April 25th, 2012 03:21 pm (UTC)
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i didn't know if green tea helped regulate it, that's all i meant by a woman's (monthly) cycle. cervical fluid, temperature rises, cervical position - i would see those as all part of that monthly cycle, and i didn't know if you had offered green tea as a way of helping irregular cycles or something. what does green tea do to cervical fluid?
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From:The Coexist Cafe [thecoexistcafe.com]
Date:April 25th, 2012 03:42 pm (UTC)
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Ah! Yeah, AFAIK, it doesn't "regulate" anything, at least not on the whole. It does help increase CM, though, which has helped me a lot (and apparently, other women as well!). In that regard, it acts a lot like the Robitussin recommendation, though with yummy green tea instead of medicine. ;)
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From:kshea333
Date:April 25th, 2012 04:06 pm (UTC)
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ok, would you use it to help get pregnant because the increase makes it more conducive for sperm, or is it positive for TTA people (like myself) as well?
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From:The Coexist Cafe [thecoexistcafe.com]
Date:April 25th, 2012 04:20 pm (UTC)
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Definitely help with getting pregnant; the more fertile CM, the better.

As for TTA, for those who don't have, or have scant amounts of, fertile CM, increasing the amounts could give you better accuracy when TTA. You have to track CM and temps when TTA, as fertile signs for either one are days during which you should abstain or use a barrier method. On the days you observe more fertile CM, you'd know that you'd have to abstain or use a barrier method; if you had scant amounts or no CM, but you were still ovulating and could possibly get pregnant, it may be more difficult to tell, and you may have unprotected intercourse during one of your peak days.

Hope that helps. :)

Edited at 2012-04-25 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From:claripossum
Date:April 9th, 2012 05:31 am (UTC)
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She suggested the green tea to me, too. Nice to see it worked for another lady. :) I'm probably going to give it a try next cycle, for now I'm just waiting around for AF.
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From:john_stevens_x0
Date:April 9th, 2012 05:13 am (UTC)
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Another possibility - could be that your body was gearing up to ovulate, hence the EWCM, but failed, so no shift. If you still don't see a shift in a day or two, that's what I would assume. Check out delayed ovulation on Fertilityfriend.com; I think there's a description somewhere, plus there's a bunch of charts in the gallery that show delayed ovulation.

However, if you DO get your thermal shift soon, then I'd say having a shift a couple days after ovulation is more likely. Hope that helps :)
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From:claripossum
Date:April 9th, 2012 05:33 am (UTC)
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Good point. The cycle during which my daughter was conceived, I had at least one phase of fertile CM but no ovulation, if not two, before my body finally got around to ovulating. It would have been a two-month cycle if I hadn't gotten pregnant. x_x It's also something that's common when coming off the pill, according to FF's videos.

Wanted to add, too, that during that cycle I'd been off the pill only a few months, and it was my third cycle since the pill and my second cycle charting.

Edited at 2012-04-09 05:34 am (UTC)
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From:claripossum
Date:April 9th, 2012 05:27 am (UTC)
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FF recently did a video about charting right after the pill. IIRC, a "slow rise" after ovulation is common, according to that. But I agree with waiting until at least three days after the temp shift to go "au naturale" as I term it, hehe. This is my first cycle off the pill and I've had similar CM issues as you did last cycle (if you've seen my posts you're probably familiar with that). Because of that I waited until I had about a week of higher temps before I considered us "safe" so to speak, though we're planning on TTC very soon so it's not that big of a deal if we have an "oops" right now. I just say that because if we were really wanting to avoid a pregnancy, I might not have taken that chance even a week into higher temps.
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From:lauralareine
Date:April 9th, 2012 12:44 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for telling me that! I did have a "slow rise" last month after ovulation, so it's good to know that explains it. It did not happen this month though; I had a very clear spike.

As an update, I found some remaining EWCM last night and then my temp spiked this morning. So I guess it was just a case of yesterday being my real Peak Day when I'd thought it was earlier. It was just a matter of me learning to interpret the signs.

Yes, that's why my fiancé and I have been abstaining. A baby right now wouldn't be the of the world, but it would be really bad timing. Everything was so screwy last month that nothing could really be relied on. I did not feel comfortable with the idea of having sex at any point last month. But now, everything this cycle has been really clear so we're going to go ahead this weekend once I've met the 3DPO rule and the 4 Days Post-Peak rule. I think that I still won't be comfortable with sex during the first five days and pre-ovulatory dry days, even with condoms, for a few months though. (We've decided never to have sex on a day with any cervical mucus. Better safe than sorry.)

Also, the green tea worked wonders. Twinings makes a decaffeinated green tea that is really delicious.
From:barrierunner
Date:November 1st, 2013 02:40 pm (UTC)
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allo

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